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I’m sorry. I ran to the end again there. And our brain is finite, inasmuch as it is encased in our skull, too. But our thoughts are not finite. I’ll prove it to you. Can you think of a time when you didn’t exist? You can comprehend there was a time that you didn’t exist, but you can’t think of that time. Can you think of when you won’t exist? No. You know you’re going to die someday, but you cannot think of when you won’t exist. Why? Because God has given the spirit of man to the mind, to the brain, to make it “mind”, and He’s given His Holy Spirit to us so that we can think infinite thoughts – the thoughts of God. Howbeit on a very low level. Now if you want to take that and put it in your philosophical pipe and smoke it, try that on for size, ok? “…While God our Creator is infinite and unlimited. The Bible tells us there is one God. The Father is God, the Son is also God; He is eternally with God, and also was God” (PGR).

Now let’s go on. “I hope this helps you to see why we must teach there is one God who is Father, Son, and Holy Spirit.” Did you catch that? “I will discuss the Holy Spirit next time.” The reason he has to next time is because this is so heavy that no one could take it all at once. “Mr. Armstrong was never formally challenged on this point. He never had to defend his teaching in the same way that I have been forced to do…” (PGR). Ta-ta. He was forced to defend it many times. And he did defend it. And he was challenged on it.

Let’s come down to the next paragraph. “I was challenged on this point when I put in a personal in the Plain Truth in which I set forth the traditional arguments against the Trinity…” Wait till you get some of those that I’m going to give you today, which are greater than those traditional arguments. “In response I received a letter from a priest, who said he had respected the Plain Truth, but now realized we had no idea of what we were talking about.” This is almost unreal. So then, I’ll let you read the paragraphs in between. Let’s come down here to the one, “Mr. Armstrong, as I said, was simply never formally challenged on this point, or I am confident he would have changed it himself” (PGR). Wouldn’t it be something? Would it not be something if Herbert Armstrong could come back to life and stand in Joseph Tkach’s office today?

Now let’s come down here, last paragraph, page three. The last sentence, next to the last sentence. “The Holy Spirit is not a third separate God, not according to us, and most importantly, according to the Bible. There is one God, and that one God is the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit. They are distinct but not separate” (PGR). Would you ever have believed that this kind of thing would have come from WCG? What does it say in Jude? Let’s go to Jude. And isn’t it interesting, that the book of Jude is there, and it comes just before the book of Revelation? And the book of Revelation tells us about the return of Christ, doesn’t it? And so what is the book of Jude? The book of Jude is the last warning before the return of Christ, isn’t it? Yes indeed. It’s got to be.

Notice what he says. Jude 3, “Beloved, when I gave all diligence to write unto you of the common salvation, it was needful for me to write unto you, and exhort you that ye should earnestly contend for the faith which was once delivered unto the saints.” Because they weren’t keeping the faith that was delivered. Are these people keeping the faith that’s in the Bible? Of course not. “For there are certain men crept in unawares…” Remember what I read to you, remember what we studied when we went through the series, “Satan’s Ten Most Believable Lies”? And what I read to you about Satan’s greatest weapon, are intelligent-sounding men who sit on doctrinal boards, who quietly press reasonable sounding arguments with reasonable sounding words upon reasonable people and deceives them. That’s what he’s talking about here. “…Certain men crept in unawares, who were before of old ordained to this condemnation, ungodly men, turning the grace of our God into lasciviousness,…” And that lasciviousness can be license to change doctrine, license to change the word of God, license to do anything you please. Not just lasciviousness in the sense of sexual debauchery. And what does it lead to? “…Denying the only Lord God, and our Lord Jesus Christ” (Jude 3-4). They’re coming pretty close to doing that, aren’t they?

Now let’s continue on, page 4. “It is true that the average Protestant or Catholic cannot explain God’s nature…” Of course they can’t! “Many may even think that there are three God-beings in one godhead, or a three-headed being of some sort. That merely points out how ignorant some people are about the doctrines of their churches.” Again, the put-down. “But then, inability to explain a particular doctrine isn’t confined to other churches, is it?” No, not by any means. “Let me summarize, and I hope to make this crystal clear: our old literature taught us that there were two God-beings and one God family, each composed of Holy Spirit. That teaching, which implied that there are two Gods, is not biblical.” That is a lie. “The Bible teaches that there is one God, not two” (PGR).

What does it say in John 4:24? “Those who worship God must worship Him in spirit and in truth, for God is Spirit” (John 4:24, paraphrased). Right? Yes. After the resurrection, was Christ Spirit? Yes. Do we have two Spirit beings Who are called God? Yes! Is it biblical? Yes.

“That teaching, which implied that there are two Gods, is not biblical. The Bible teaches that there is one God, not two. The Bible does not teach that God is a family, with two God-beings in that family right now, and billions to come later. The Bible teaches that the one and the same God is Father, and Son, and Holy Spirit” (PGR). So draw your little circle and put 1-2-3 in there. Because it is a doctrine of Satan the devil, it is not from God. And the 1-2-3 can be any name you want to put in there based on all the pagan religions. So what he’s doing, he’s paving the way for a strange interpretation of the Trinity, meant to please those who look at the Old Testament, and meant to please those who look at the New Testament, and denying the truth of the Bible.

Let’s come down to the next paragraph where the star is. “The Bible teaching is that there is one God who is the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit. It is not my idea,…” Granted, I don’t think that Mr. Joseph Tkach could ever come up with this idea. It’s not his. One man, not in the church, who read this said that this is the ramblings of a person who does not have the sense to think with. Ok? So, granted, it’s not your idea. I accept that. “…Nor is it the idea of some fourth century theologians. It is the plain Bible teaching” (PGR). I beg your pardon. If it is, I don’t know which Bible you happen to be reading. And if you’re a church member in WCG and you can sit there and take that, and you can say that, “I’ll trust God. God is on His throne.” Was God on His throne when they were seeking to kill Paul? Yes. Was God on His throne when false prophets came around? Yes. Was God on His throne when people fell away before? Yes. God being on His throne doesn’t take away your responsibility from anything. You better come before that throne of grace and follow God, not sit there and point to it and say, “That protects me from everything, and that’s my excuse for accepting every heresy under the sun.”

Let’s come to the next paragraph. “Despite these historic attempts, mistakes on the nature of God continued to be made. What’s more, mistakes will be made as long as human beings walk the face of the earth. As a result, the term ‘Trinity’ has picked up extra baggage, so to speak, which makes it a misleading term to use without qualification” (PGR). There is the seed. I put “key seed.” That is the one to be planted, because they’re going to say, “We are not accepting the Catholic doctrine; we are not accepting the Protestant doctrine of the Trinity. But we are accepting the Bible teaching of the Trinity.” Ten-to-one that’s what they’re going to say. And that is going to be their qualification. Then it goes through and shows that God is not a person, doesn’t have a body, and we don’t necessarily have to rely on the fact that God is a Spirit being Who does require space.

Let’s come to page 5. The paragraph that is marked, “God is Not Created.” We understand that. So because He’s not created, He doesn’t have a body? How then are we made in the image of God if God does not have a body? What was it that Moses saw on the backside when Jesus passed by as the God of the Old Testament? And He said, “No man can look upon My face and live.” This is ludicrous, brethren. Anyone who would sit in the Worldwide Church of God and continue to take this, you deserve what’s going to come upon you.

“Bodies are put together or composed, and God is neither put together nor composed.” That is a stupid statement! “He is the Creator, not the created…” We know that. “Until God created, there was nothing. Only God is eternal, only God is uncreated. There is no eternal matter or spiritual substance that coexisted with God.” Where you there? Do you know? “That would mean that God did not create everything…” You see, this is philosophical reasoning to nonsense, and this is demon gibberish! It’s exactly what it is. “And such a God is not a God of the Bible. Such a God is a limited God, and less than supreme God; a God who needs something besides Himself to act as God” (PGR).

Let’s go ahead and turn to the one by K.J. Stavrinides, “Does Elohim Refer To A Family of God Beings?” That’s right close to the end. So just go ahead and put it on pause and turn there. (Pause)

Now I’m not going to go through all of this. Some of the things that he has there are right, some of the things that he has there are not correct. Let’s come to the one where it is, “Lower Than the Angels,” page 2. And you see what is happening, you take a true statement over here and narrowly define it. Because it is true – Elohim does not equal “family.” Elohim describes God. God is creating a family. And again, what are you going to do with the one in Ephesians 3, “…the whole family of God in heaven and earth…” (Ephesians 3:15, paraphrased).

Ok. “Lower Than the Angels.” Elohim. “Psalm 8:5 says that God made man a little lower than the angels, elohim.” That is a blatant, false translation, referring, when it’s translated “angels.” The New American Standard Bible clearly translated it, “…made a little lower than God…” And that’s what it should read. Angels are never, anywhere, called Elohim. Angels are malak. The next one down: “Bring him to the judges,” Exodus 21:6, “He is to be brought to the judges.” That is also a mistranslation. He is to be brought before God. And after all, is that not where the judgment was to be? It was God’s judgment, right? They were to be brought before the judgment seat of God. Judges are not called Elohim. This is an attempt by the translators to change the meaning of Elohim by mistranslation.

I want you to follow these very clever sounding words here. Let’s continue on now. Let’s come down to the names “Father and Son”, page 2 of Stavrinides’ writing here. “The names ‘Father’ and ‘Son’ do indicate a family relationship. We can omit the reference to the Holy Spirit in this light, because the name ‘Holy Spirit’ does not immediately suggest a family relationship. This is perfectly acceptable and biblically sound. The error creeps into the concept when the relationship is understood in terms of separate beings. The following explanation should make the explanation easier to understand: In a human family a father and son are two beings. One is the father because he existed while the son was not yet born. The father provides for the son because the son needs his help. Human beings are limited beings. They have a beginning. They have needs. The father/son relationship is meaningful only in the light of these relationships. It is a gross misunderstanding to think of God in such terms. God is spirit. He has no limitations in space or time. In other words, it is not true that the Son had a beginning or that the Father existed while the Son did not. Neither is it true that the Father looked after his young Son during some of his childhood, or provided for the son’s needs. Rather, the names ‘Father’ and ‘Son’ reveal important truths about God” (Stavrinides). Well, if it doesn’t reveal a family, what does it reveal? Did not Jesus say that the Father taught Him? Yes He did.

“The book of Hebrews speaks of the Son in various ways. He is referred to as the Son, as ‘the brightness of his glory, the express image of his person.’ These are three ways of expressing the same idea. As the Son is God, he has no needs, and he is not in the same relationship to the Father than a human son is to his parent” (Stavrinides). But did Jesus not say that He would be subject to the Father? Yes He did.

“The names ‘Father’ and ‘Son’ are applied to God without the limitations that hold true to the human family. This is another way of saying that God is not a family, a word that has meaning only in the context of limited human beings. God is infinite, eternal, and in all ways unlimited. The attempt to make Elohim reflect a family of divine beings is not only impossible historically, linguistically, and culturally, it is theologically wrong and inappropriate in the discussion of the true God” (Stavrinides). So then you take the word Elohim and you burn the rest of the Bible.

Brethren, I am totally, I am shocked beyond words with this situation. I don’t know what else to say, except that if any of the brethren in WCG, if you believe this, and if you follow along with this, you’re in deep trouble. (Pause) Yes. The comment was made, if we’re not to be as a son of God as God is, now, that doesn’t mean we’re going to have the authority. No way. Then, you see, what’s the use of going on? I wonder how many people are just going to give up and say, “Well…” you know, hey, I wonder how many are just going to go back and say, “Well, that good old Baptist church has a better church, has got a better choir; and further more, they don’t ding me for all these stupid tithes. I’m going to go there.” Has Satan succeeded in what he wants to do? Yes!

(Audience comment) Yes. Comment made, God has to get them out of there someway. This is it. Ok. Let’s go to 1 John 3:1. Isn’t it unreal, the basic scriptures we’ve gone over how many times, how many times, brethren? Do you think that Christ is going to enter into a marriage relationship to someone who is not compatible with Him? What does it talk about, Ephesians 5? “I speak a great mystery concerning Christ and the church, concerning husband and wife” (Ephesians 5:32, paraphrased). Is that not correct? So we throw that out?

1 John 3:1, “Behold, what manner of love the Father hath bestowed upon us, that we should be called the sons of God: therefore the world knoweth us not, because it knew Him not.” And I’ll tell you one thing, this newly espoused doctrine does not know God. He’s called the Father; we are called the children. We are called the sons of God. “Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when He shall appear, we shall be like Him, for we shall see Him as He is” ( 1 John 3:1-2). Now, nothing can be clearer than that. And that, brethren, is the reason why you were born. That is the reason that God has called you. If God just wanted to have a whole bunch of unthinking robots, composed of spirit, He can make them by the billions. If He wants you to become like a lapdog, like your stupid little dog at home, that when you come in it barks and yaps and runs to you, and you put down your hand to pet it, and it licks it, and everything is just fine. Can you express love to the dog? Can you talk with the dog? You can talk to it, but you can’t talk with it.

Now I’ve got in my hand something that Carl Franklin just did, in response to what this Pastor General report is. And it’s called, The Chaldean Mystery of the One In Many, The Trinity: Part Two. Well, in The Trinity: Part One, Carl Franklin gives the origin, the history of the rabbi’s, and where Philo admits that the philosophers were possessed. That’s why philosophy leads to demonism! Because philosophy are the thoughts of demons to explain their way to exclude God, and to include Satan the devil, and the gods they set up. So remember the circle: 1-2-3. The circle is Satan, and the 1-2-3 is Nimrod, Semeramis, and Horus.

Let’s go to the one, The Chaldean Mystery of the One In Many, The Trinity: Part Two by Carl Franklin. “The Magi.” You see, the Jews like to tell you that they are clean, and wonderful, and innocent people, and have never been involved with magic or any of that sort of thing. Brethren, the truth is, Judaism is based on the Kabbalah, and the Kabbalah is the heart and core of Satanic mysticism and magic. Like the woman said, “Turn up the heat, give us the meat.” There it is. Why do you think Jesus said, “You are of your father, the devil”? Was He saying that just to antagonize them? Was He saying it just as empty words? Or was it a fact?

Now here is a critique of some of the things of Plato. Page 2, “The Parmenides presents a great difficulty to the reader. The best Platonists differ about its meaning. The ordinary person will be hard put to discover any meaning at all. The argument runs on and on in words that appear to make sense, yet convey nothing to the mind.” Did we not just read some of that? Yes. “Examples are on every page. As for instance, ‘The One is also younger than itself at the time when, in becoming older, it coincides with the present. But the present is with the One always throughout its existence. Therefore, at all times, the One both is and is becoming older and younger than itself’” (The Chaldean Mystery).

I’ll just short-circuit a lot of this, and say that Plato studied in Babylon. Question: what about the image of Daniel 2? It starts out with a head of gold, and then silver, and then brass, and then down to the feet. What is the message that goes to the feet? Where does it come from? It comes from the head. Brethren, this whole system is still operating on the basic philosophies of Babylon. What is Christ going to do when He comes? What does it say about the Rock cut out without hands, it’s going to what? Smite the image on its feet and going to grind it into powder, and it shall never exist. We’re going to find on the Day of Trumpets that Christ is not coming to play patty-cakes with theologians. Christ is coming to destroy this system, its religions, its governments, its theology, its finances, its education. Everything about this system, God is going to destroy! Now I have you reading some of these books, Protocols of Zion, and En Route to Global Occupation, and every one of these things, people think they can politically correct it. Like Pat Robertson and Jerry Falwell. “Well, if we elect good people, there…” Listen - “good people” are the ones who have destroyed the earth! No. The only one Who’s going to do that is Christ.

Now let’s continue in here. “Continuing with Cornford and his introduction to Parmenides, ‘The Parmenides seems to disclaim any achievement at all…’” That sounds like Clinton, doesn’t it? “‘Finally, the great man says to his audience,” It seems to me that whether there is or is not a One, both that One and the others alike are, and are not, and appear, and do not appear to be.” “Most true,” says Socrates, and the dialogue ends.’” Page 3, sound familiar? “There is one God; that God is the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit. They are distinct, but not separate. Therefore, God is everything we can conceive of and more.” “Chaldean Mysteries of the One In Many is understood and expounded by modern Magi, the mystery of the Trinity” (The Chaldean Mysteries).

Selected quotes of Parmenides: “All Is One,” page 922. “The One cannot be anywhere. Both equal and unequal to itself and others. It is neither equal nor unequal to itself or another one; comes into existence and ceases to exist. It is immovable. Neither is One, nor is it all. In no sense is. It is both in itself and in another; is both like and unlike itself and others. It is not like or unlike itself or another. Becomes older and younger than itself. Has shape, has no shape. Does not occupy time, partakes of time. Touches and does not touch itself and others. Hypotheses: 1) If there is One, that One has being. If One is both one and many, it is like the others. If the One exists, the other exists.”

Now you understand why the warning about philosophy in Colossians 2? This is demonic gibberish. (Audience comment) Comment was made, where’s the beef? It’s there, but wasn’t. And if you look at it, you shall see it, but it won’t be. And if you thought it was in the bun, it was not between, but on top, which was underneath, but was within, which has to be without. And the tomatoes are an illusion; they’re not there. The lettuce and mayonnaise have all been run together and spoiled. So the beef? That’s a good question. The beef is the cow, the bone, the goat, the lamb. And it’s not there because it wasn’t ground up. And Wendy’s has square hamburgers because he doesn’t like to cut corners. Ok? So much for the beef.

“Other qualities of One: does not change; partakes of existence and non-existence. Has inequality; may participate in many; has motion as is, at rest. Becomes and does not become unlike, unlike the others and like itself. “Sounds very much like a mystery. Now remember what we read in the book, My Catholic Faith. The Trinity is a blank mystery. Strict mystery. Why? They make it so you can never understand it, because they don’t want you to know that it is Satan, Nimrod, Semeramis, and Horus. That’s why.

“Again, we shall defer to Cornfeld: ‘The Parmenides presents a great difficulty to the reader. The best Platonists differ about its meaning. The ordinary person will be hard put to discover any meaning at all. The arguments run on and on in words that appear to make sense, yet convey nothing to the mind.’ This, then, is the source of Joseph Tkach’s theology on the Trinity” (The Chaldean Mysteries). I’ll let you read on about Plato’s successors and some of the things that they have here. Let’s come to page 6, “Plato’s successor…” Oh! Academy. Academy, by the way, was the name – Academus - was the name of the demon that spoke to Plato. So “academy” means “a place of demons.” And it was in a grove. What are our eco-freaks wanting to preserve? Groves.

Ok. Let’s come to page 6, first paragraph, the last sentence that is bold. “Its principles are the one that stands beyond being, and many that populate the beings.” Ok. The last paragraph now, “The realms of being are the mathematical numbers, the mathematical shapes, the soul, the world soul, and the perceivable bodies. They are created when one determines and limits the many. The One and the many are to be seen as analogous, but different principles on each level. Ordered the entire reality according to the relation of genus and species…” And I remember the first, when I went to the University of San Francisco, and I was only there for six weeks, and I had to take Philosophy 101. And about that time I was getting the Plain Truth magazine. God was calling me, and I sat there, and we started out Aristotle, and Plato, and Socrates. And I said, “What am I doing sitting here in this class? What does that have to do with the Bible?” And that was a Catholic institution, by the way.

Let’s come to page 8, Middle Platonism. “The pagan origins of Jewish monotheism and the trinity of one.” And Carl is going to do some research on the Temple of On in Egypt. “He prepares the way…” Let’s look at these big sentences here. “He prepares the way for Plutinus’ monotheism and the theory of hypostasis.” Now hypostasis, I have the dictionary page there so you can read it for yourself. “The One is the cause of everything, even matter. He distinguishes between the first one and the second.”

Hypostasis. You look at it, the second word on the second paragraph, page 716 of the dictionary. Let’s come to the second meaning. “In philosophy, the underlying principle, or nature, essence, or substance; in theology, originally, the unique essence and nature of the Godhead and therefore of the three persons of the Trinity; any of the three persons of the Trinity; the personality of Christ as distinguished from his two natures, human and divine.”

Let’s come to page 14 please. It says, “Nicomaches of Garacia, 2^nd century AD, equates numbers and deities in his arithmetic theology; Numenius, 2^nd century AD. Proximity to Platunius is testified too by Platunius being accused of plagiarizing his works. Theology, Numenius claims in his work, On The Good, must originate back beyond Plato to Pythagoras, and integrate the teachings of the Brahmans, the Jews, the magicians, and the Egyptians. Plato is nothing other than the attic-speaking Moses. Numenius’ first God is only related to itself; the second and third Gods are only two different functions of the next hypostasis, which then is the Trinity. It compliments the forms of the first God, and it combines with matter in order to give to the forms to it, and it does so lose its unity” (The Chaldean Mysteries). Ok, you’ve had your philosophy class for today.

(Audience comment) Comment was made, we have to get back to the basics. That’s right. And it’s a shame, brethren, that we have to go through this. But I tell you, there’s a lot of people you know and love that have been in Worldwide, some are still there. And now the gauntlet has been thrown down, and you’re going to have to choose whether you’re going to follow Satan, or you’re going to follow God. And the organization, apparently, is determined to follow Satan and not God.

(Audience comment) This went out in the Worldwide News. It was made that people are interested in religion now and not truth. The Bible says, “Your word is truth” (John 17:17). And, “ Man shall live by every word of God” (Luke 4:4, paraphrased). And when you get interested in theology and in religion and not God, then these things happen.

 (Audience comment) Yes. They’re going to have to get back to Christ. Let’s go to Ephesians 5 here for just a minute. Ephesians 5:9, “…(For the fruit of the Spirit is in all goodness and righteousness and truth;) Proving what is acceptable unto the Lord.” Having your senses exercised thereby. “And have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness, but rather reprove them.” And expose them. And that’s what I’m doing, brethren. So if you can sit in your WCG congregation and say, “Everything is lovely and nice and sweet,” you’ve got the deception pulled down over your eyes, and you are in trouble. “For it is a shame even to speak of those things which are done of them in secret.” Who knows what’s going on? “But all things that are reproved are made manifest by the light: [and the light is God’s Word] for whatsoever doth make manifest is light. Wherefore he saith, Awake thou that sleepest,…” And you’ll see the “est” on the end of “sleep” - the ones who are sleeping. Now if this sounds shocking to you, wake up! God is saying, “This is the wake up call.” “…Awake thou that sleepest, and arise from the dead,…” Are you spiritually dead? “…And Christ shall give thee light. See then that ye walk circumspectly, not as fools, but as wise,…” (Eph. 5: 9-15). And let me tell you something, if you continue walking in this stupidity that I just read to you, you’re walking in foolishness. You’re not walking in wisdom. You’re not walking in truth. You’re not walking in the Spirit of God.

Let’s go to Luke 12:1, please. Here’s the parallel account of where we started. “In the mean time, when there were gathered together an innumerable multitude of people, insomuch that they trode one upon another, He began to say unto His disciples first of all, Beware ye of the leaven of the Pharisees, which is hypocrisy.” And not only their hypocrisy, but also their teachings. “For there is nothing covered, that shall not be revealed; neither hid, that shall not be known. Therefore, whatsoever ye have spoken in darkness shall be heard in the light; and that which ye have spoken in the ear in closets shall be proclaimed upon the housetops” (Luke 12:1-3).

Then He says this, because those who do it are going to endanger their lives. Tell you what, who wrote The Protocols of Zion endangers his life. The fellow who wrote En Route to Global Occupation, Gary H. Cohen has endangered his life, and has had life threats against him, and was offered $100,000 to quit saying anything about the Masons. I mean, we are talking about tough times. We’re not talking about just persecution of religion. We are talking about looking gun barrels right down in front of our eyes.

So He says, “And I say unto you My friends,…” That’s us. We’re called the friends of God, right? “…Be not afraid of them that kill the body, and after that have no more that they can do. But I forewarn you Whom ye shall fear: Fear Him, which after He hath killed hath power to cast into hell; yea, I say unto you, Fear Him.” And do you fear God? Or do you fear just the authority in your little play-church, where you come in and play pitsy-patsy with the Bible, and you’re throwing your salvation away because you’re sound asleep and ready to let someone steal your crown. Now the choice is yours. You either choose God, or you’re going to have to choose this world. Because the world is coming in full force and full blast with all of its Satanic doctrines into the WCG.

Brethren, pray for those who are in the Worldwide Church of God. Pray that they will wake up. If you know any, send this tape to them. Pray that they will listen to it. I tell you, it’s dynamite, something. It’s really, really something. So pray for them. Ask God to open their minds. But they have to choose to do it. They have to choose to open their minds. They have to choose to follow God. They have to choose which way they will go. And they can’t lay off with the old Adam and Eve excuse, “The serpent; the woman.” Did they still not get punished and put out of the Garden of Eden? Absolutely. So you are not going to escape, if you are in the WCG, and you say, “Well, it’s the ministry,” or “the brethren,” or someone else. It is you. It is me. We have to stand before God.